How to Perform on Camera in Webinars

щенkäç MuCoешь everyone, and welcome to Webinar Days 2021. Big surprise. Webinars are here to stay. Webinar is this interesting sort of a box. We've been seeing marketers that have shifted 40 million euro event marketing budgets down to zero and then starting from scratch, building up a webinar organization, Webinar Studios. We started, let's say, in July last year. And after around about two months, we had the first webinar registration already online. What we found out is that... our audience, our customers, are actually... were actually very keen on hearing from us and trying to be better at using our product and solution. It also has changed the way we communicate with our customers. We now know that people will tune in and that there was something that we were afraid of. Will people sign up to Webinar? Will they understand where to click? They actually do. And that's amazing. Yeah, I think, first off, thanks. Andreas and Bertrand for sharing your stories. I think it's very inspiring in many ways. I think also, I mean, sort of paradoxically, obviously, us building tools, we didn't talk that much about tools. And the people actually doing great marketing didn't talk a lot about the tools, right? But I think that was definitely a key takeaway that I think tools are such a key part of enabling your organization and creating this kind of webinar driven organization, right? We'll be back. Thank you. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Webinar Days. My name is Anders Mondelin, and I will be your host for the next one and a half hour. If you're turning back from earlier today, welcome back, And if this is the first time you're tuning in, well, welcome to Webinar Days. The video just playing here before we went live was just a short recap of some of the presentations we have already heard in some of the earlier sessions today. If you want to see some of the presentations from there, you can find them all on demand here in the system. Now, this evening, well, it's evening here where we are sitting in Central Europe and the UK. I know if you're sitting in the US, it's probably time for an afternoon coffee. But here it's evening time, so we found the couch. So we are a little bit more cozy, a little bit more maybe a good atmosphere for some camera love, because that is actually what we're going to talk about in this session. Webinar Days is just in short. This is actually three days going on where we have over 30 different speakers from all around the world in different time zones and more than thousands of engaging online viewers. The theme and the topic. Of Webinar Days this year is new connections because webinars are connecting us in new ways and ways that are more authentic and human. This is, as I mentioned, the final session of today. We will have much more for the next two days. And the theme here is camera love. How to perform on camera in webinars. Besides being the host of today, I'm also head of marketing development at a company, multi beverage company called Royal University. During the COVID-19, we have developed a series of streaming and hybrid events, and it has actually resulted in new webinar staff. And we are also building our own in-house studio. One of the things is hardware and software. Another thing is the personal performance. So in my company, we've just decided to train a wide selection of our colleagues to perform in front of the camera. So on a personal note, I'm actually really looking forward to this session. And I'm looking forward to getting some inspiration about how we can do and work with this camera love also for some colleagues that's not used to being in front of the camera. Just a quick housekeeping note to all of you. We hope that this will be an engaging webinar for all of you. And there is different ways for you to engage. First of all, we have the question tab that is just beyond above. Isn't the name is of the chat here in the system. In the question tab, you can type in all of your questions and comments for the speakers. And then we will gather them and take them at the end of the session for all of the speakers where we have them in a panel debate. You can also chat. I can see the chat is already buzzing right now. You're writing where you're from. So just continue with that. And also talk with your peers in the chat during the presentations. We also have reactions. You can just test it right now. You can give thumbs up, smiles, hearts. If you learn something. Maybe a little light bulb. So go in and test all of the reactions and make sure to send a lot of reactions to our presenters this evening. And again, if you've missed any sessions for the ones right now or the other days, as I mentioned, you can find them all on demand when we are done. I actually think it could be quite good to just to kick everything off with a little poll for you, all of you. So maybe it's time just to hear a little bit about this camera thing. I think all of us have. I don't know if it's an issue, but we have needed to learn to love the camera or we are still learning. So where are you on this point? So right now we will put up the poll. So please type in where are you on this? How comfortable are you actually being on camera? Are you trying to stay away from the camera? Are you not super comfortable? But you're, you know, you're doing it if you really need to. Are you comfortable? Are you getting into it? So learning, it's OK. Or are you just at the stage where you're loving the camera and you can feel that the camera is loving you? So the poll is open right now. Let's get in all of your questions so we can see where the states are about this camera love before we start this session. I can see the camera. I love the camera. The camera loves me is actually. Quite good right now. So maybe we don't need this session. Then we can just sit around talking to each other on the chat and drinking some coffee. Maybe that's not something to learn. But also comfortable. I can see is on the second stage there. So, OK, the camera love is a little bit down now. Comfortable is in the heat. So good to see. I can also see we have somebody that is trying to stay away from the camera. So hopefully all of you will get some learnings. And especially. Some inspiration, even though that the camera loves you. You can still learn something. I bet you all. So thank you all for sharing at the poll. Continue to engage with the reactions and in the chat as well. So let's start this session off today. We have three exciting speakers ready for you. They will dazzle you, hopefully with their presentations and give you some great key learnings. They will cover subjects like performing with body, voice and appearance. Using pen and paper. And webinars. And also how you present well on camera. First up, we have the award winning actress from the TV series The Bridge, Pook Sjauber. She is very skilled and creates a facility coach and trainer. She's also designed, customized and interactive conferences and workshops for individuals, teams and groups. And today she will be talking about this performing on camera with the body, voice and appearance. So, Pook, the virtual stage. The Bridge is yours. Thank you very much. And so great that so many people have joined here in the evening time here in Copenhagen. In order to be even more wise on how to love the camera and make the camera love you. And I really like the positive spirit here that so many of you have this. Of course the camera loves me. That's the right attitude to start with. Great. So wonderful that you are joining. And I really hope you will get some. Benefits for the next 20, 25 minutes. What I aim to do here is to share some of my knowledge from being here on camera. Normally you do not look into the camera as an actor. It's more like a kind of your secret lover that has to follow every move you make. So it's a little bit different to actually have contact like that with the camera like this. I will speak, talk, share insights for around. 20 minutes. I will also show some slides. And I will do that in order to highlight some, some keywords and some tips and tricks. I would also super much like to involve you. So if you could already now get prepared and take off your phone, if you have such a wonderful device, so you can actually a little bit later in this workshop, film yourself, record yourself, because I would like to show you a magic tool. And for that, you need your phone. Eh, there's more magic. More magic tools here, because what an actor's craft is, is actually to use the physicality, the voice and the breathing and the presence in order to get across to the camera. So it's about physicality. It's about breathing. It's about presence or what Japanese martial artists would call ki energy that you can actually sense if a person is sending his or her energy towards you. Or towards the camera. So it's a physical thing. It's also very much a vocal thing. I could speak from up here and it would be an absolutely wonderful session, but it would be a little bit different. I could also speak down here. Maybe that would be a little bit too much for this session. And it's not because I changed my voice, but I changed the resonance room that I use where my voice is actually vibrating. What we know from research is that we wish to. Listen to people that have some physicality behind their voice, what I call an embodied voice. So I'm not speaking only up here from my throat and not only up from here either. And I don't have to reach China if I have a webinar where China is on the call. I just have to speak. I will tell more about that. I have to use my physicality. Pauses are wonderful. I will also. Cover that and give you some tips and training in that. So it's about physicality. It's about vocal dynamics. And it's also about this presence. How can you connect via a camera? And there is some tips to that. So let's roll. Let's do it. And I would really love not to be alone here, but I would love you to send in some questions in the chat. All kinds of questions related to this about the camera. And I will show some slides. And in order to see the full slide, maybe you need to do something. I know in other in teams or soon you need to right click and pin it in order to see the full slide. But please let me know in the chat if there's any issues on that. Seeing the slides. So let's get rolling. This is as the title says, camera love. So this is about I've tried to boil down for you. 30 years of practical experience. And I will deliver it in like what I call these tiny little work masterclasses. How can you use your physicality? But he said yourself, we talk so much about mind setting, but our body has so much intelligence and so much energy and power that we can use and tap into. The vocal dynamics. I already talked about that. And then this connectivity. What is that about? And that's something you can use here. On screen with the camera. But you can actually also use these tools in a live setting. The difference is very much that in a live setting, we can compare that to actors being on the stage performing in a theater. You need to use it. You can walk around and you can go down to people if it's like total theater. But you have a bigger range that you can operate from. Now, when I'm here on camera on a meeting with you. It's much more like I'm on a screen like I'm in front of a camera. So that is exactly what we should get even better at. I'm here because as introduced, I'm an executive trainer and coach advisor and I help leaders and all kind of people to be even better at this. I realized recently that these tools are actually super powerful tools. Not recently, but like these the last one or two years. This is about how to relate to the camera has become so important for everyone. And it's actually a very intuitive things. We just have to like lift them up on a conscious level because it's something we do naturally when we feel good and we are confident. So I use my skills from my acting career. So what is this with my acting career? You could ask in short, as just introduced. I was in the bridge and that was sold to impressively, I think, 138 countries. Then I switched over to advising because I had two sons. I'm doing both now, but I did a lot of consulting as well. And I never really got to impress my sons with the bridge. They were like, yeah, okay. 138 countries. But they were super impressed about my presence in the Mythbusters, the discovery program. And I just wish to show you a very brief 20 second clip just to underline what it is that actors do with their voice and their body and their breathing. So let's see just a 20 minute clip from the bridge shown at Mythbusters. All right. Two. 3. All right. Quite dramatic here. So why did I show you that? Just to underline that that is what we do. Use physicality, use breathing, use the voice. And then there's the message itself. And I've tried to create a communication model that covers all these elements. So I use this as a framework, the 3C communication model. And I talk about that you communicate, of course, that's your message, that what I say with words here. But then the second layer is my connectivity. How do I relate and bond? And thirdly, how do I center myself? I mean, I cannot really connect to anyone else if I'm not connected to myself. Like if I seem a little bit unconnected to myself, it will be sent out as, I'm not confident and you don't really want to listen to me. I would like to focus on the center, the orange part here, because I've created something called a body setting. And just to underline this, it's if you want to communicate with a high impact here online or in a webinar, you need to connect and bond with your receivers. And in order to do that, you need to be centered in yourself. And that's why we need to work on all these three levels. When we think about communication here online. So I use this concept of body setting because that is what can make you tap into your physicality. So I would love that concept, that word to travel out, that you can actually take a shortcut through your body to set your mind and set your confidence level. As Navy SEAL is doing, as a Senbo Archers does and sports people know, about this physical intelligence. So the tips here, the actress tips to perform when on camera. So you can maybe not be as dramatic in the clip you just saw, but have impact, connect with people and get your message across. I put it into three buckets. It's about this body setting. It's about your breathing pattern, about using your posture, your muscular tones, what I call centering. And it's about your presence. And I call that the bubble. It's about this embodied voice, pauses and articulation. And it's about this camera love thing that if I wish to connect to you via the camera, there's some tricks I can use. The ideal receiver, the corridor of attention and the calibrate technique. So let's dive into it. When I talk about breathing, it's because in order to center myself, in order to have a nice vocal range, I need to not grasp for air up here. I need to have a deep breathing going on in my stomach. It's called a diaphragmatic breathing or belly breathing. And if we just could do it now here very briefly, if you place your hands on the lower of your back here, down here, you should actually be able to feel your breathing, your influence. And you can feel your breath all the way down in the lower of your back, or at least in your belly. It's just breathing. What is that? We need to actually, you need to do it instead of just thinking, oh, I have to take deep breaths when I'm on camera. This is a way that you can set yourself. You can affect your nervous system. You go more into the parasympathetic nervous system and you actually change the hormone landscape when you start doing deep breathing. If you wish to do a little night breathing here, you can just take your hands here at the lower of your back, do a little bit of a corona safe coughing. You should feel some rumbles, some muscles are activated here in your lower back. In a moment, I count to three and you should breathe in. You should hold on three and you should breathe out. You breathe in through your nose. You hold and you release like that. We'll do it three times. And then I will. I will. I'll convert that into maybe the tool that you will remember from tonight that is super, super efficient. But first, let's do the breathing if you're ready. So if you sit down, both feet in the floor, if you stand up, also both feet in the floor, maybe feel your feet are getting melt, they melt, they get soft. That's a way to take energy down into your physicality and not be too nervous or have a spinning mind. So I count and you breathe. So breathe in. One, two, three. Hold. Two, three. And breathe out. Release. And once more. Three. Hold. Two, three. And release. And the last time. Breathe in. One, three. Hold. Two, three. And breathe out. One, two, three. And release. Now you have reminded your body of what a deep breath is. Let's say now I get a little bit hectic because I have so much to say or something falls on the floor and I get a little bit nervous. All nervousness is a contraction of energy. It limits your presence, it limits your breathing, and it limits the way you use your voice. So the deep breathing is a way of re-centering yourself. and if I did something like I dropped my phone I will not say like oh just a minute I have to breathe one two three I will do something different I will do this little tip technique of what I call smell the flower this is a very very very simple but let's say I'm a little bit too hectic I'm a little bit speaking too too fast and a little bit yeah speaking a little bit uncensored then I can very very quickly center myself by pretending then that I smell something that I smell a flower not like a yogi but just a very soft little light secret embrace this is also a wonderful pausing technique let's say I have said body setting is a really great technique for setting yourself so you limit nervousness and you become more confident after body setting I did that little secret in breath. And this actually has a lot of biological benefits. There's a long nerve from down in our belly up to our brain, our limbic brain. So you limit what we call amygdala hijacks that you get nervous and go back to fear, flight, and fright mode and just deliver your message and spray it out because you just want to leave. But you actually re-center and re-conquer your confidence just by that little secret in breath. So smelling the flower is super simple and super effective. And I actually know CEOs around here in Denmark and actually internationally who use this a lot before they go into situations where they're under pressure and interviews and when they're online like this situation here. Censoring, what is that about? That is about... I could sit like... I could sit like this a little bit not aware of my physicality or I can take an in-breath where I actually pretend that I'm pulled up by a string here. And on the out-breath, everything, muscle, meat, tissue, everything melts on top of this skeleton. So I'm upright, but I'm also relaxed. If you wish to do it with me, I can just show you here what it looks like if you were standing up. It's about taking an in-breath. And then that pull up towards the sky. On the out-breath, everything, it relaxes. And then in the end, you like send out your presence and your attention into the room. I will talk more about that so it gets more tangible. But first, you could like on an in-breath, be as uplifted and straight as possible. On the out-breath, relax everything, but stay uplifted, but relax jaws, shoulders, everything. And you would also... If you're really tense, a lot of unwritten emails can hide here in the jaw muscles. You need to relax because what we know is mirror neurons is at work here. So you will mirror me if I have tension and I'm a little bit panicking in my eyes or my breathing pattern. I'm overdoing it a lot, but I think you get it. And also the way we speak, if we're a little bit too tense here, you will also mimic that and you will start to feel tense yourself. So that's why it's important to use your breathing, your posture, be relaxed, upright, ready. And then there's about the bubble. That's about our energy. I would be able to sense if you were standing behind me here. And what is that? In an Eastern context, it's actually a concept. You call it key energy. It's the energy that a person transmits from willpower, from being present, from body heat, And you can actually feel that also here on screen. Let me try and demonstrate that. Let me say I wish to ask you if you wanted a cup of coffee this evening. I could say it in two different ways. I could say, would you like a cup of coffee? Or I could say, would you like a cup of coffee? And I don't know if you could see the difference. But what I was trying to do in the first one, I was actually sending my energy that way. And that's what you're doing if you do not love the camera, if you don't have a nice relation with the camera. And in the other version, I was like bubbling the camera. So I was sending my attention and my willpower. It's subtle, but I think you can sense it towards the camera. It's visual, it's attention, and it's, I'm not spraying my message out into the whole, no, I'm talking to you in there, who I can actually see and have a conversation with. And now I smelled the flower, enabled to stay there. So breathing for preparing yourself, I would do that. I would always take a test meeting with myself to see how am I doing, how am I sounding. Set myself, body set myself, prepare the body to know what to do. Because you can say, oh, I need to do my deep breathing. That's easy, but doing it is something different. It does change your presence. Then the posture, and then this about the connectivity, the bubble. Yes. And please remember to ask questions. I would love that. Some interactivity is wonderful. This about the bubble. If you are only thinking about what to say, and you're not really, having your attention outwards, you can feel it. In actors language, we talk about that we have three different circles, concentration circles, a small one, a bigger one, and a really large one. So it's about being aware that you can actually send out some energy. The second little class here was about the voice, about vocal dynamics. And it's about involving some, body, some physicality. It's about taking pauses, and it's about articulation. And now it's the time to actually take out your phone, pick up your phone and record yourself. I would like you to record a baseline recording, because after that, we do a little bit of tips and tricks, and then you should do a recording, a second recording. And you hopefully can see the difference of how you have improved your screen presence. So if you take up your phone, and you can just say these words here. Let me get them here. My name is Puk. I am a communication advisor. Today I'm at a great webinar. So just do that. And let's see what will happen when we then work with it. So just your name. My name is Puk Schaabao. I work as an actress today. I'm at a great webinar. So that's the first one. Then the idea is to get a little bit more of vocal dynamics involved. And why that? Because when we start to use our voice a little bit more, we also transmit more energy. So I would place my hand here on the chest, and then I would do an inbreath. Smell the flower. And then I would say, ahhhhhh. I would say a sound so high or so low. much volume so I can actually sense a vibration here in my chest. If I just speak like this, I don't feel the vibration. If I speak like this, I actually start to feel this resonance. If you cannot sense it, you have to project your voice a little bit out in the room. Or not do it louder than that, but you can actually do it louder. And you should search for that vibration here. Now let's do something. You are at the acting school and now you have actually gone to the fourth year at acting school, so you are advanced now. We can do something. I would like you to do exactly the same text, but after each sentence there's a red flower, and here you actually smell the flower. Also, as it says in the bottom, before you begin, Then inhale, and then say the text. And also, if you're really advanced, you can also add thinking about your articulation. If I should do it, recording myself on the phone, it would be My name is Phuc Xia Bao. I work as an actress and a communication advisor. Today I'm at a great webinar. So it's not for women, for example. It's not because you should sound like a male, but it's because you should involve your physicality. For men, it's about using a bit more energy so you actually also transmit more energy when you are speaking. We can also do this. We can use our intonation tactically. And that's about being aware of when you ask questions that you don't want to answer. questions for example that you go upwards with your voice and if you are closing down a chapter you go downwards now this has ended so for example if it's if i ask a question it could be like um it could be like this do you have any questions or it could be like this do you have any questions and it doesn't really sound as encouraging or welcoming so do you have any questions and my whole mimic also changes or do you have any questions i actually do not have time so your tonality your intonation is also interesting here so that was um body sound setting it was vocal dynamics uh the embodied voice use your body as a speaker it's about pausing because pauses makes what you just said said expand it makes your words more important and it's of course about uh doing it in a nice way so you don't pause all the time or over articulate but you can i recommend that you test this and then you take maybe one or two tools thing you can do is that because you can feel that um you don't roll around with your stabilized voice or yourふじふ exe inhale no too long It's more like a fearful relation. And what you should do is instead of looking into a black lens, you should install your ideal favorite receiver in that lens. You can even put up a little sticker with a little nice smiley face so you remember to talk to someone. Because it should be more like a conversation than also here for me. I should not just be spraying out my knowledge, but I should try to have a conversation with you even though it's one way. So I have to create pauses for listening to you as we're doing a conversation, see your small reactions like, now the coin dropped, etc. So the ideal receiver. And then this corridor of attention is very much connected to the bubble. It's about that I'm not spraying my attention out into the whole room, I'm really creating this confident corridor of attention to what I'm doing. So camera love is about the ideal receiver. It's about the corridor of attention. And it's about keep on calibrating yourself, like keep on remembering these body setting tools, sit up, send your energy and breathe deeply. So a very fast introduction to how you can come across even better here on camera. Think of your body, think of your voice, and think of your connection. And really have fun, because your energy and your mood also transmit here online. I want somebody is asking, mentioning something here, Louise, I once heard a tip about moving your toes up and down during a presentation in front of the camera. Do you know the effect of this? I'm getting very curious. No, I don't. I don't have a clue. But it could be about remembering that you do have a body. So you're not just a talking head and you are totally like, I'm not using your physicality and your breathing, but remember that you are a whole body and mind system here. Yes. Other questions. Rising intonation comes easy for me as an Australian. Yes, that's nice. And sometimes you should also know how to go down and land. I'm sure you can do that as well. But of course, different accents, different languages invites for different things, but we all can actually go down and end. So also if you have three, for example, I would like to introduce body setting, vocal dynamics and camera love. This and that and the end. So it's not body setting, vocal dynamics, camera love and, and, and. No, I know now. It has ended. So just a resume of what I went through here is to activate your camera. Love. I created a little list here, calibrate and use the body setting techniques. Smell the flower, slow in breath through the nose, from the bottom of your feet, uplift your posture, stay uplifted. That's of course, before you are on the webinar and think of something that makes you smile or laugh inwardly to yourself. I'm also. So as speakers, so doing a little laugh before you are on the mic or on camera also opens up all these nice resonance rooms in your body. So you sound more rounded and relaxed. See your ideal receiver, the camera lens, create the corridor of attention, bubble the camera and test the embodied voice. Say ah, and feel the vibration in your chest. As you give your presentation, remember to, to articulate, present. Send those beautiful words of webinar training, for example, whatever it is. Um, and remember to smell the flower as you, um, as you stay present with your ideal receiver in the camera and this about the volume, you should actually talk as loud as if you speak to someone who is sitting on your shoulder because that's the perceived distance. You don't need to reach all the way to China, for example, or all the way to Berlin. I can see there's somebody from Berlin here. No, I just have to speak as if I reach somebody who sits here because that's often the perceived distance between the screen and you. So, uh, three buckets of interesting tools and tricks and promise me not to use them all in your next webinar. But the train is one thing like a. Great. Pianist is training. He scales or her scales, and then you go into the concert hall and do the great concert. So take one little tool or trick at a time. Try it out and remember to have fun and enjoy your journey, developing your communication here on the screen. So, uh, thank you here from me. Uh, it was a pleasure. Uh, who is asking here any last advice for the next presenters? It's actually this about establishing the connection before you start speaking. You don't just go in and then start speaking. It's good to center, take an in breath and then start speaking. People get to see, okay, all these little signs that we read, um, when you see other people and then we are ready to say, okay, and what will she say? So, and that's also something you can use when you do live presentations, walk, stop land. Yeah. Great. Oh, there's a very important question here from Marie. My question is how do you, as a woman get authority through your voice without copying a man's energy? Super good question. Or deep resonances. If you like me have a lighter, higher voice and smile too much. It's about. There's a lot of theory to this. We all have four places where we can place our voice. We can make it resonate up here. And our cranium, uh, or we can make it resonate more here in the chest. We can do that as a woman, or we can do it as a man. And then we can also go down here in our belly. So it's because you should involve more chest resonance. That doesn't make you sound like a man that just create some physicality and some corpus to your body. Roland Barthes, the great philosopher. He talked about the core, the grain of your voice. You should hear that. So. Not up here, but think that you talk to people here. You can actually put a hand on your chest and imagine that you speak to people through the hand, not at the webinar, but in your training. I think that this was the time we had. Um, Anas, are we, are we all fine here or are there any more questions? No, I think we, uh, we got them all for the ones that is in the chat. But as I also said. In the beginning, we will follow up on the questions and comments that, uh, all of you are sending in, in the question tab as well. So for now, thank you very much, uh, but we will see you again at the panel debate. Uh, at the end of the session, I think it was really good insight. So I will try and smell the flower and have some pauses here during the next presentations. And I also like all the next presenters just asking for some good advice. So please, all of you send some reactions to. Thank you, Pook. As a thank you for her great insights here on how to have some camera love. Uh, next speaker is the author of actually this book that I have right here. It's called visual collaboration. Now, when we are talking webinars, a lot of us is thinking digital, it all needs to be digital, but Ole. Well, maybe he don't agree in all of us on that because he is working on how to use pen and pen. And besides being the author of this book, he's also the founder and co-owner or at a, the company called bigger picture. And today he will give us his insights on using this pen and paper to create authentic clarity and engagement in webinars. So Ole, I hope that your pen is sharp because now it's time for you. Take it over Ole. Thank you very much, Anders. And also, thank you very much, Pook. That has been, I have a list here of things I will try to remember. So I'll keep the pauses there. And then also hopefully you can have a checklist of do's and don'ts and I can fall into many of the don'ts, but I'll do my best to come up with a new trick that you can simply just add on to your webinar. Uh, based on, uh, adding onto what Pook just said. Um, I'll go through, uh, uh, share of the screen here where let's see how it goes with, um. With my setup here. So what I've, what I've made, and I hope that that comes right into your screen at the moment is a little bit of the journey that we'll go through. Um, the part that you're seeing is basically you, uh, and what I'll try to come across is I'll do a little bit of introduction. Uh, I'll talk about why visuals work and why you might want to share in, uh, in, in, in your webinars. You want to put something in there. You want to put something up in front of the screen so the others can see it. Um, we'll go through a little bit of a, everybody can draw this. So I do recommend, should you have any paper, uh, on board, um, post to you, then please make sure you, uh, pick up your pen and a piece of paper simply because like, it's good to practice while you get something like this. Right. So we want to connect and let's call it camera love. That means that, that it's ways different tricks. Uh, that can happen. So we can actually get a different kind of reaction. Now we've moved into a space like this. Um, and, uh, when I've gone through that, uh, hopefully you've found that that worked, uh, worked with well, uh, as you, as we will do a little bit of a application, I'll talk about how you could do it. Quickly take a couple of takeaways that you can use, and then we'll go to what that what's the big picture here. Uh, and finally we'll do a little bit of a wrap up. So based on this, let me just, uh, jump right into this one. I'm presenting in, uh, something called mural and, um, the way mural works is I can put up stuff here and then I can take it away if I want to go deeper. And really, as, um, it was mentioned, we've written a book about how you can get people to collaborate better using visuals and we teach it and train it. And, uh, the book is also out there in a couple of other languages, which means that we're seeing a, a cross-cultural approach. Many cultures were visual, uh, and storytelling before they are actually text-based. But hopefully this will compute with many and to give a little bit of context, this is my world before the, the camera that we are, we are seeing here. It was a workshops standing in front of an audience, um, trying to get a message across, but also trying to sense the group and see how are we working together? There. There. There. There. There. or better collaboration. And really moving as many of us has been experienced and this Connecting Webinar is all about, we've moved across this kind of journey of many of us has had here this setting of a normal meeting. Maybe some of you already then went up to the whiteboard and you started drawing a little bit. But now that we've turned into a different world where we are a little bit out in the virtual environment where we're actually needing new techniques for creating this engagement. And the part that we're trying to make sure is once you were in the meeting here and you were, let's say you were drawing on the boards, then when you moved into the online meeting, you can still do it. And there's a couple of reasons why we're considering and let's just go through a couple of them. One of them is that, well, we've done it for ages. We've done it to tell stories. We've used visuals to actually just capture the essence of our culture. And we have done it to tell the most important part of how we do things so that future generations can learn. So it's nothing new really. And the part that's really fascinating about our brain that has developed through many years is that we do have a tendency to navigate in a 3D environment, which means that when we see a word like house, our brain already gets images. It doesn't get textures, it gets images. And that means that if you then take that and say, well, actually I'm a visual person. And when you then in a digital environment like this, start doing something like, well, let me present to you how I feel right now. Now you heard Book say something about presence being there, but also showing something that's really you can make that extra camera love or extra connection to who's ever in front of you. So this is how I felt just before, I guess just before Book started saying a lot of things I need to remember so that I can, I can, you know, I can do this here, but really a drawing like that. And remember that here's Ole and he's a visual facilitator and he has pen in hand and he has paper in hand. And the thing he wants to use to do something like this is I would like to tell you that the reason why this is really important with visuals is if you have a communication triangle like this, where in the top you have like a simple icon that says, just do it. And then the bottom, like many of us in organizations, we present slide after slide. If you can create a big picture, or sort of a visual that tells a story with just a couple of icons, then you can bridge that gap between overload in the bottom and too much simplicity, but still the one that people remember in the top. So visuals, when I see, when you see this one next time, again, hopefully that will have stuck to your brain because our brain works this way, but let's see how we then move forward. So I'll just move a little bit up here and show you that, if you go along on this journey with me and you start drawing, the powerful thing is our brain does take it in, hold on to a drawing, and it then helps us move forward and tell the story to others. So if you want your webinar to be told on and passed on to others, bring a couple of visuals, both slides, but also something that's handheld and simply drawn like, well, the simplest of simplest forms. So I'm moving on on our journey here. So we're moving, this is you down here with, we're having these different bubbles. So now we're moving to the place where I'd like you to also join me in drawing, and please have pen and paper ready. And thank you, Pook, again, because I was breathing along with you. I did a recording. I'm not sure it went better, but here's a trick or two that we would like you to also take with you from this session, really. And what I'm using is my desiccated thumbnails, that's my adelante video here. And I've taken it in the right outline of photos with a digitalBLveloper. So you can see, it's sometimes not äелиlder? webinar is that you come with a presentation, you do your slides, but once in a while, might switch to something that's handheld. And there, it's really good to have a couple of tricks up your sleeve. So let's go, and hopefully you're having a piece of paper in front of you, and you can draw this dotted line, this dot, a line, and a triangle, and a circle, and a square, and a curved line like this. So being aware that everybody draws, because everybody can draw this, is key. And I'm not going to stand up and sing in front of you on a webinar, because I'm not very comfortable with that. Many people aren't comfortable with drawing either. But if you do a couple of these again and again, they will become part of a visual language that's a new... I have a lot of cheese. I can't hear what you said. Sorry about that. I don't know who's talking to my watch. Anyway, I'll continue. So if you can... If you can bring these small icons with you, it could be your vocabulary, and you add on a new language to your webinar. So the reason why I want to show you that they work is that if we really understand the smileys are small symbols that we've used to draw just the essence of a face, and our brain then understands this emotion. So our invitation here is really to say, well, if a couple of lines can do that, then you can draw. So there's two or three squares. And this could be a laptop where you're showing a laptop. If you also want to do a globe with a little bit of one region, another region, this could, if I tell you this is Earth, hopefully you're okay with understanding your brain. Oh, that's the globe. This is from a European perspective, the way the Earth looks like. But okay, I get it. And by looking at things in very basic shapes. tablet of some brand and we can then move on to other other simple icons like let's say you do a signpost so just continue here with me of drawing some of these very simple icons they could become yours but you could find your own so I also want to do a five pointed star in one line because that's a very good icon you can also do a circle with a four pointed star and then you have a person which means that now you can maybe in your piece of paper where you draw you could add a person and it's a little bit of a advanced person compared to the stick figure and what you're seeing is not very complicated drawings here it's just basic shapes a couple of lines let's do another one which is a curve like this a couple of stretches down here and then this is a sustainable light bulb and then we might have a symbol for an icon of them and training some simple icons could be something that would be valuable for for you to use in a in a webinar you need to find your own shouldn't be a lot just a couple let's move further let's move further to the next part because the the the next part is really combining some of these things the simple icons in themselves are the ones that are most important are a great way to communicate like I did before with my smiley person. But if you start putting them together to this bigger, a little bit bigger story, you could then really do a lot for the brain that you're talking to, to compute and remember what you're talking about. So let's do a little bit of a trial here. So we're going to do one more circle. I'm just going to see where my pen is going. My pen is not wanting to do what I want to do. So right now you have to imagine that this is happening. And if it's not happening, then I'll do a tester. Then I'll smell the flower, right? And then I'll continue. So let's see if it wants to do. If not, I'll have to do another trick here. So I'm going to do it on, let's call it, analog version. So I'll just do it right in front of the camera here. So the tester here is that you take your pen now, and then you on the right side here, you're going to do the people. So the group that you had before, you're going to combine it a little bit. You're going to do a gap down here. And then you're going to do another set of people. So now I'm doing it live. And maybe I can do it in a webinar. But right now we're training together. I might want to have the drawing finished or draw some of it as we go along. So I'm going to add the arrow over here and just have that story that we have here. Now I'm going to do a signpost. So do a square on both sides. So now you have someone standing in A going to B. And I'm telling a story to the camera or to the screen. And I'm going to say, hey, we need to agree on where are we today? Where do we want to go? Maybe I'll add in one of those secret icons I made. So here's a light bulb. And say, we want to go across this gap. And we want to create, oops, we want to create a new idea. We don't have ideas. We need to get new ideas for whatever project we have. And for my webinar, I'm using the drawing to get a message across about the story of us as a team, where we want to go, where we are today, and what the challenges are. And my point in this teaching or example that I hope you could use and use for takeaways, I've just added a little bit of a story to some icons that I put together in a visual structure that helps me convey a message that hopefully is pretty easy to remember once you see this drawing again. So that was sort of the small tips and tricks. Use these very basic shapes to build an icon of your own that you can, on a flip turn, on a Post-it note, or in the different digital devices, you can use to convey something. And you can use that as a way to connect, to shift the energy, and potentially also involve others in adding in. So I'm going to continue a little bit. I'm going to see if my battery in my pen, that's probably what just happened, will come back. But apart from that, we're now up. And I'll just share with you the screen here, where we're on the path again. So we'll just end up with a couple of ideas of how you could apply this. So one of the ways that you could apply is just like you've seen. If you're doing a webinar, you have your 10 icons, you have your story, and you use it on any of these analog devices. So it's something that tells a lot about me, the way I draw. So it's an analog transfer of stuff into the camera. That's a digital situation. The second, I'm just going to show you a little bit of that. The second version is that you start also thinking about this. This is not only analog. Let's go into my slide deck here, and I'll just try to make sure that I have it in the right place. I present my window here. Where did that go? So we just lost connection to Ola, I think. So while we try to get it online again, I can just show, I tried to follow Ola's drawings. I don't know if it's all right. We can ask Ola about that. But I tried then to smell the flower. Smell the flower. So here, yeah, just doing it a little bit. Right now when Ola is offline, then maybe we can draw that as well. So how do we draw an online connection? Maybe then I'm just paddling here. So maybe if we have like sort of this is the internet. It says Wi-Fi here. And we have a connection going this way to Ola. And then Ola will be here going down. Was it like this one? This is Ola. And then we say we don't have any connection. Maybe that could be. But now you're back, Ola. I don't know if this was the right way of telling that we needed to get some connection to you or you would do it in a different way. Yes. No, that's really, really good. That brings me back to a part that I don't know when everybody here who has experienced you, we have come up with a principle that's really helpful. Is that? That embrace technology so that these things happen. Embrace it and see how it goes forward. So thank you very much, Aras, for taking over there. And I'll continue in the best way I can. I'm not sure why it wasn't able to see my PowerPoint. So I'll just keep on with my other screen here and I'll just see if that works now. And that's where we're at. So basically the part. That we are in now is those application ideas. And if you know PowerPoint, you know that there's these days there's a pen. So it's really it's really about using the pen of those of you who have a tablet screen to just add that visual touch to a normal PowerPoint. There's a lot of there's a lot of potential in just adding a couple of strokes to an existing PowerPoint and you can draw on top of everything. I don't want to show it now. As the connection somehow seems to be connected to that. So right now I'm going to show you here that we are at. We're at this last part where. As you see, drawing digital whiteboard. So the part that we are using and words like the collaboration boards like Miro, Mural, Clarkson, MS, Microsoft whiteboard and Stormboard and so on, they all now allow for this kind of interactivity. And that means that when we go then out to now, this is the presentation, but it's also it's also a journey map. And that's where the visuals speak, hopefully. But now you're looking at us at an overview of what we've covered in these 20 minutes. And by by doing it visually, it helps us connect with the drawings that you've seen were handheld. And it also brings in that story of what this presentation was about. I'm simply going to leave with that. Not. Risk any more technical glitches. And hopefully you all had this experience of being able to draw something you could put up on the screen, share a visual concept or a story that's your own. Do it in PowerPoints. And then test and try just a couple of icons next time. I think like books, three different models don't do it all at once. Try it once in a while and get and see what the reaction is. And I think that hopefully you all have a good time. And I think that's what you'll come across as being quite you being analog in a digital space and doing something that's hard to forget. With that, back to you, Anas. And I'm looking very much forward to see your drawings, too. Well, thank you for that, Ola. I'm just actually trying, you know, to make a last one. I don't know if it makes sense. This is just a drawing of me paddling. I don't know if you can see. So I'm here in the boat paddling with all of the waves. Maybe a good it's a good sunny day because every time something bad is going on, we are still happy. So maybe maybe that could be used as a telling of how to paddle. I don't know. But then nevertheless, quite quite interesting key takeaways for that. I could also see that we had people writing in that. And Hadley was that the name is has been using. Drawings in her presentation. And actually, and will be participating here in the webinar days at our session evening session on Thursday. So you can see and there as well. So maybe we will see some use of drawings as well. Now, I don't know. Maybe it's because it's evening here in Denmark, because now also the digital cue cards just went out as well. So we should just stick to pen and paper, I think. But now I got it back here. So thank you very much. Remember to send a lot of reactions, digital reactions to all or maybe just send him a text message on LinkedIn with a drawing of reactions. You could do that as well. So thank you very much. All it will, of course, also be back at the end of the session for the panel debate. So if you have any questions or comments, just put it in the question tab on top of the chat here. Now, moving on to our last speaker of this. This session is also quite interesting. Speak speaker, I can tell you, because we're going to to connect to Richard and Richard is focusing again on camera love. But he is actually today the CFO of Capture, the visual communication agency which specializes in bringing vision and purpose of its clients to life. Before Capture, he worked for BBC. And he actually directed some of the biggest and most engaging shows like I think we all know, Top Gear's Crime Watch and Holiday. And he has also launched the multi award winning HBC, HSBC TV. So and of course, he's the CEO of Capture. I think I mentioned another title. Sorry for that. But he is the CEO and founder. Today, purpose is at the heart of successful business. And what Richard is really focusing on. So Richard, thank you for being here. We're looking forward to hear your key takeaways on this point. And thank you very much. And thank you to Puk and to all as well. Puk, fantastic presentation and all as well. And well done for coping with the technology. Don't we just love it? So first, I should say a disclaimer. I am not a professional presenter. Some of the more astute of you may have realized that very quickly. But what I have done is for many, many years, I was over 10 years at the BBC directing some fantastic presenters. I was senior director there. And as Anders has said, I used to direct on Top Gear. So I work with presenters like Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond. I did the holiday program with the BBC with a presenter called Jill Dando, who some of you may remember. I've presented movie stars and sports stars and politicians. And what I want to do today is bring. That experience to you. My job is to make them look good on camera. I mean, many of them were very good already, but my job was to make them look fantastic on camera, make them come across really well on camera. And what I want to do today is bring some of that experience to you and give you some practical tips. So this session is going to be for you if you present on camera yourself. If you're one of those people that has to be on camera, it might be on a webinar, might be on a film, but it's also going to be useful if your job is in. Say, marketing or comms and you have to coach people to be good on camera. Maybe somebody that isn't that used to being on camera at all. So the tips we're going to go through hopefully will be useful for both of those sections of people. I want to give you really quickly some practical tips that you can use in day to day life. So I'm going to go into each of these in depth in a second. But there are four key tips that I'm going to talk through. I haven't got any presentation, I'm afraid, so I'll have to sort of reel these off. The first one is eye contact with the camera and why that is so incredibly important. I noticed both Pook and All do that brilliantly and Anders does that brilliantly as well. It's a really, really important thing when you're presenting on camera. The second thing is story structure, having a beginning, a middle and an end. Don't just waffle on. Hopefully I won't be waffling on. And our previous speakers have been great. They've had a structure to what they're telling you. The third element is talking with confidence and with passion. Really important that your personality comes through the camera. And the fourth element is for those who are directing other people on camera. And that's about the energy behind the camera that will help you bring out energy of the people you're directing in front of the camera. So those are the four key tips. We're going to be going through them in more detail. But why is that so important? Why is that information, all the information that we've been talking through today, why is it so important at the moment? Obviously, the world of video has changed massively over the last 18 months. So many more people are watching video online. You know, with COVID in particular, more and more people are online. But even more than that, more and more people, their job is now entailing presenting online. You might be the CEO of a company or, you know, owner of a small business. You can get your business across online. If you're a CEO, you need to communicate with your employees, getting them behind your vision and purpose. If you're a marketing person, you may want to get one of your customers or one of your thought leaders on camera and get their passion across really well. Being on camera is a skill that all of us really should be learning how to do and getting better at. I'm not an actual presenter, as I said. I get nervous being on camera. But we've all got to do it. We've all got to grab it and sort of take it on board as something we've got to do because it is going to be part of all of our futures going forward. So let's go through the various different tips. Number one, as I said, is connecting with the camera. Now, I work with lots of senior people now. Capture is a visual communications agency. We work with lots of CEOs, lots of thought leaders. And many of them, I've seen them on stage. They're brilliant speakers. They're inspiring. They're fantastic. But when you're talking on a stage, you might be talking over there or over there. Your crowd is all around you. When you're talking on camera, this is your audience. This little thing here. You are talking to this here. Eye contact with a camera is so incredibly important. Eye contact, I don't know why, but eye contact connects with your audience. And that's what you want to do on video. You want to connect with your audience. You want them to listen to what you're saying. You want them to absorb what you're saying. I still see it now. In fact, we did a webinar earlier today where one of the speakers, brilliant CEO, fantastic speaker, but she was spending her whole time talking down there. 30 minutes, she was talking off camera like that. I know to many people, the information is still coming through. But to me, you lose a bit of that connection. You lose a bit of that interest from the audience if you're not talking right to the audience. So, of course, you can have notes. Of course, you can look down every now and again. But in general, try and talk to the camera because that will hold your audience's attention. One of the things we do get asked quite often is, well, if I've got to talk to the camera, can I use AutoCue? Now, there are times when AutoCue works well. I think personally it's not actually that often. Professional presenters make it work brilliantly well because they're experienced and they're good at using AutoCue. But a lot of inexperienced people, if they start using AutoCue, A, they lose the energy, and B, it loses authenticity. People know when you're using AutoCue. Unless you're brilliant at using it, people know. And I think it loses a bit of authenticity. So we generally steer people away from using AutoCue. That's tip number one. Tip number two is having a story. And you may say, well, if I haven't got AutoCue, how am I going to remember what I'm going to say? Well, it's a bit like telling a story. Don't try and learn word for word your speech or what you're going to say. You wouldn't necessarily do it on stage. You don't need to do it on camera. But what you do need to do is sort of think, well, what's my beginning of my story? What's the hook that's going to get people in and want to watch what I'm talking about? In my days in broadcast, if it was Top Gear or Crimewatch or Holiday, we would pose a question. Either before the report started or at the beginning of the report that would make the audience want to watch to find out more. Will this car go faster than that car? Will Jeremy beat Richard on this race across Europe? Why should you go to this fantastic eco lodge in the middle of Africa? Those are the sort of questions that make people go, well, why should I go to that eco lodge? I'll watch to find out more. And it's the same with stories. Storytelling. Begin with a question that makes them want to find out more. My question was how do you present well on camera? Some people won't be interested in that. But hopefully the people that are interested will then at least stay around for the beginning of my talk. Then you want to lead them through chapters. And that's how I remember when I'm doing a talk. That's how I remember how I'm going to structure this story so I don't have to keep on looking at notes. What's chapter one? What's chapter two? What's number three? And then you need an end. Some sort of round off at the end of the talk. Some sort of call to action. If you're in the corporate world, quite often that's a call to action. If you're a YouTuber, it might be, you know, subscribe here. If you're a corporate company selling a product, you know, click here to buy the product. But some sort of ending that makes people, A, realize it's the end of your speech, but also, okay, well, what do you want me to do with that piece of information? So number two, structure your story. It will help you remember as you present. And B, it will help the audience guide them through the story that you're telling. So third point is talking with confidence and talking with passion. Maya Angelou, the famous American writer, said people will forget what you said, but they won't forget how you made them feel. Think about how you're making your audience feel. Think about what you're feeling when you're talking to your audience. Are you passionate about what you're talking about? Because if you're passionate, it will certainly help keep the audience's attention. I'm not a brilliant speaker. As I've said a couple of times already, I'm not a professional presenter. But I love the industry I'm in. I love making video. I love making people come across well on camera. And so hopefully I talk with passion. The best presenters inject some of their personality into their presence on camera. They don't just read a script. They inject some of their own stories, their own, well, their own personality. And don't be afraid to do that when you're on camera. As I said today, you know, I was thinking about this as I was coming home. I was doing a webinar in London. I was a terrible presenter. And he started looking over here. He started looking over there. He was looking down at his notes. He couldn't remember what he was going to say. But he lost that passion of what he was talking about. So the audience, straightaway, they're thinking, why is he looking over there? Why is he looking over there? Don't worry about it. Just talk about his passion. Get that passion across to the audience. So that's really, really important. And I would say that Puk is far better at this than I am. But do vary the pace of what you're saying. One of my favorite presenters is David Attenborough. David Attenborough is a brilliant presenter. He talks in a very labored way. And he grabs the audience's attention. Now, I'm not saying you need to talk like David Attenborough. And I think the world has evolved in the last 20, 30, 40, 50 years since David Attenborough has been talking, although he's still fantastic. I think nowadays presenters are expected to bring a bit more energy and a bit more pace than they used to. And a bit more dynamicism in there. And that's not taking away from David Attenborough. He's still brilliant. But think about varying your pace. Think about slowing down sometimes. And think about smiling as well. Something I have to keep on reminding myself to do. Smile on camera. It really helps, A, connect with your audience. And also makes you feel a bit more confident on camera. That's sort of my three key tips if you're presenting on camera yourself. A couple of really minor, minor, minor things. But just because, you know, I think nowadays the majority of people you would imagine would get what a good camera position is, what good lighting is, the importance of sound. But I'm going to say it really quickly because I still see it. I saw it again today. You know, people turn up with very limited lights. If I turn all my lights off, you know, you'll still see me. But it's going to be not quite as engaging as if I turn the lights on. It is important for, you know, engaging the audience. Please, please, please don't have your camera down there. Still see that so often. People having their camera down there. Or in my case up there, which isn't great because I've got a ball patch on top. So, you know, nobody wants to see the top of my head and nobody wants to see me looking down at them from the sky. So have the camera position roughly eye level. That is good for the audience. And sound is so important as well. Somebody we were filming last week actually put their notes over the microphone just before they were doing the webinar, which is incredible. So sound is really important. Make sure you've got some sort of headset, which is really good. Or at least clear mic and check that before you go on. So the last section I'm going to talk about is getting a good performance from people on camera. You may be working in comms or marketing, as I said, and you may have somebody that you want to appear on camera who may not be very good. Well, they may be quite good, but you want to make them better. How do you make them better? I've directed for 30 years presenters. They react to the person behind the camera. I think this is vitally important. You know, a lot of people turn up and say, oh, here's a camera. Let's put it down. Get somebody to talk to it. Sometimes even without anybody else there. As a director, my job was to get a good performance. And a lot of that was my energy behind the camera, encouraging the people in front of the camera. If I when I say energy, I don't mean jumping up and down like I've taken some sort of drug. What I'm talking about is being enthusiastic and interested in what they're talking about. Really listening to what your presenter is saying, because if you do that and you give them encouragement and you give them direction. They will give a better performance if you sit there and just go, yeah, OK, let's do that again. They won't know what they did wrong last time. So, you know, the energy you put in behind the camera as a director or a head of comms or head of marketing helps get that performance from in front of the camera. There's some very famous stories about actors like Al Pacino when they filmed dramas. A lot of the time, certainly in the past, they would have one camera and they would do the angle on one actor first. Shoot his part and say if it was him talking to somebody else, then they'd move the camera around and then get the other part. And there are stories about some actors that would suck the life out. So if the camera wasn't on them, they wouldn't give anything to the other actor that maybe their shoulder would be there. But they wouldn't give any energy to the other actor. So the other actors performance wouldn't be as good as theirs. They knew that that was their way of sort of trying to hog the limelight. But there are stories about actors like Al Pacino that would give as much energy when he wasn't on camera as when he was. And what that did, that got a better performance out of the person who was being filmed at that particular moment. And that's what you've got to do is that person behind the camera if you're directing them. So those are my five tips. I've got four tips. We'll just go over them one last time. Number one, eye contact with the camera. As much as possible, look directly into the camera. It will much better hold the audience's attention. Number two, have a beginning, middle and end to your narrative, to your story. Whether it's 30 seconds, one minute, five minutes, 30 minutes or an hour. Have a beginning, a middle and an end that leads the audience through. Number three, talk with passion. Talk with confidence. Talk as yourself. You know, just be yourself on camera. Don't worry too much about the exact words. Just be yourself on camera. And number four, if you are directing people, the energy that you give behind the camera brings out their energy and a much better performance in front of the camera. That's my four tips. As I say at Capture, we direct people. At Capture, we direct presenters, a lot of CEOs, lots of thought leaders. My call to action, if you are interested, if you're a small company, big company, multinational company, which we work with a lot, you've got a CEO or a customer or a case study or anything like that, that you want to get a great performance on camera, please feel free to reach out. Anders, thank you very much. I'll hand back to you. Well, thank you for that, Richard, and all of the really good insights. I took a lot of notes. So I will be using them for tomorrow's session. And hopefully it will be great with all of the good advices. Now, you didn't have a presentation. You could just, you know, had started drawing it instead. You just learned that from Ole. But, again, you can use that tomorrow if you want. But thank you very much, Richard. Send him some reactions his way so he can feel what you think about his presentation. I can see there's a lot of claps. So you did well, Richard. Thank you. And now it's time for the panel debate. So let's get all of our three speakers online. Puk, Ole, and Richard. You're still there. Very good. Hope you also, as speakers, learned a lot. I can see you were active in the chat as well. So great for that. We've gathered a lot of questions and comments during your presentations. And are you ready to dive into some of it? Sure. Great. So first of all, let me just see here. One comment question was from Andrew. Andrew says, I find that I am not very good at alternating. That's a quick question. My voice. I find end up coughing and sounding very high. How can I fix this? I think this is for you. Puk, we got it on the screen. That was much better than me reading it. So maybe we should start with you here, Puk. Yes. I would love to see the question. When you see here. That is just because you want me to read it again. Okay. I find end up coughing and sounding very high. First of all, it's nice to actually warm up. Your voice a little bit. It doesn't have to be a lot of singing warm up. But just, you know, hum or singing a song. But actually challenge the range of your voice a little bit. Because then when you go back to normal speaking voice, it could be, ah, or singing something. Yesterday, whatever. But, you know, something that gets your vocal cords here to work and meet. Because that will get all that little. Rinsed out. So your voice is more clean. And you don't have to clean it out while speaking. This is about speaking a little bit high. Again, as you, Richard, was so beautifully pointing out. This is about addressing the camera. So think about that you're talking with people instead of talking to people. Because there's a difference there. There's a difference. There's a difference in your connection. And maybe if you're talking to people, you're more like delivering or sometimes I call it a wheelbarrow communication. Like unload your information. But instead think of it more as a conversation. So you talk with people instead of to people. That was a lot of talk for me. But I hope it made sense. I think it does. I think it does. Yes. It made more sense than me reading the question. So really good answer there. Another question that has come in. Maybe that is for you to start with, Richard. It's from Thomas. He's asking directing talent to be authentic on video. What's the everyday tip those 30 minutes before shooting that you often get at best in the organizational setup? Thomas, thank you for the question. If I understand it correctly, you're talking just about just before we start filming with somebody. So I suppose I'm going to talk not from the crew side. I mean, a lot of you probably already know, you know, if we're filming with a real crew, setup takes quite a while. You know, getting the lights, everything in and set up takes a while. And what I tend to like to do while the crew are setting up is, you know, if we have somebody that we're going to be directing on camera, is just chatting to them, putting them at ease quickly, you know, talk through how it's going to work. Make it sound simple because it is relatively simple. A lot of the time, you know, you're going to be asking the questions. You're going to be getting to talk through something, you know, give them some of the tips like we've talked about just now. Talk directly to the camera. I mean, a lot of the stuff we do is filming with real cameras. It's not necessarily live. We do live events as well. But I'm going to talk about if we're filming with real cameras. We're filming with real cameras at the moment. You know, we're filming with one or two cameras. We might be filming an interview or a presentation. A lot of the time, because it's not live, it doesn't matter if they fluff up. It doesn't matter if they do it wrong a couple of times. You know, just be relaxed. Don't worry too much about it. Your job as a presenter is to impart the information in a natural way. My job is to make you look good on camera. I'm not going to use anything in there that, you know, isn't good. I'm going to make sure I get a good performance out of you. So I think it's talking to them and making them just feel confident in themselves, making them feel that they can do it, making them feel actually this isn't going to be too pressurized, and then just talk them through it and ease them through it as you're filming as well. If they do a bad take, it doesn't matter. Let's just do it again. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. You're going to do a good take at some point, so it's all fine. Okay. Is part of directing and getting ready? Yeah. Could that also be the breathing exercises that you mentioned, Kru? Very much so. I believe, I mean, an actor being at the side of the stage would never ever just go in there. You would always try to get in the zone. It's a way of aligning mind and body and whatever, brain power, intuition, everything. So you're like totally in the zone, as also sports people would say, because sometimes our mind can just spin ahead and make too much trouble for us. Great. Other takes on that question from any in the panel? Visualization is also beautiful. Sorry for taking the word just like that. But visualization, I mean, if I was going on screen here for you and I felt a little bit uneasy, I would imagine, I would visualize, use visualization, which is also a super strong tool, and imagine that I see people sitting, nodding, smiling, yes, really enjoying what I'm sharing. And I would have the image and connect it to an emotion. That's also a tip from actors and sports people, because your brain believes that you have already been there. So when I'm then actually here, I feel confident, more confident. Anders, I'd also say for a lot of people, you know, we do a lot of thought leadership films and CEO films. And for the ones that aren't using AutoCue, and I would advise most people not to use AutoCue, we do get people that have tried to learn word for word what they're going to say. You know, it might be a two minute film, a 90 second film, whatever. They've tried to learn word for word exactly what they're going to say. And they always get hung up on it. And I would say I always try and have a chat before, you know, well before, like a few days before we're filming with people like thought leaders and CEO's. And I'd say, don't write a script. Put down your bullet points a bit like I talked about earlier. Put the chapters down and then just try and remember those bullet points. Don't try and remember anything word for word. But doesn't you have to be, you know, quite, quite good in what you have to say if you're only using the bullets? I mean, these guys, a lot of them, they're experts in their field. You know, some of them aren't. They aren't natural presenters at all. We've filmed several people over the last year who really are very nervous. As I say, my job is to go over performances again and again if needs be. Sometimes people do it brilliantly the first time. Most people it's the third or fourth take and a few you need 10, 20 takes occasionally. But it's not the words that are important. It's the passion behind it. If you're talking about your subject, it's not the exact words that people are going to remember. They're going to remember the overarching narrative and the passion that you deliver it with. That's the most important thing. Okay. And I guess for you, Ole, getting ready is making sure that the pen, the pens are working and not out of, what do you say, that it's dry if it's a marker. But actually also for you, Ole, there's another question. And that is how do you build a good narrative for your presentations and how is this done when drawing? Well, I think it ties very well into the two other points we just had. I believe, and that's the way I best try to prepare and how we also help others. The moment you do a narrative and you, as Pukko also said, you visualize it. But we would then ask ourselves, put it down our cue cards. Okay. And use the visuals to either remember the story, what we want to say when we are on camera. But if we use it as a tool, it becomes this part of this. It doesn't, it's not a script anymore. It is not a script. You build it based on the story. And if you're allowed to and the camera allows, and that's back to you, Richard, whether that actually also happens at that time. But when you have a visual, physical or visual artifact that you can present and talk to that you've produced, in this case with very simple sketches, it really helps you tell the story and everything around those small visuals. So it can become your scaffold in a way, the thing that will make you go through the story in the way that you thought it through. And you can always then elaborate on some of the visuals. So we do that and we also then help people present using a visual story so that it becomes quite fluid. And once you've done it a couple of times, you might even drop the visual, so that you can talk in those pictures and people will get those in their own mind's eye. In general, for all of you, do you have any sort of quick tips on gestures on camera? I remember one time I was told you shouldn't point unless this is really important. Then instead you should use your hands and be calm and hold it there for a couple of seconds and then take it away. But what are your takes on gestures? I guess Phuc, maybe you should start. I would love to hear Richard's comments on that. But I believe you should of course know where you are cut, how large a frame you are in. Because if there's only hands like popping up like this, it can be really disturbing. So you have to decide if you have hands or not. And then I believe I talk about the tulip principle. If you have a tulip in a vase without any water, it's like really dull. And as soon as you put water in it, you can see the energy rises in the whole flower. And the same with human beings. You cannot really do things with your hands. But if you start to have the energy connection, then they start describing by themselves. Sometimes I ask people to like, you can have a small source and a big source and start to play with them. Because then they will actually be playful. But the important thing is that it's connected to the whole physical energy, I believe. Yeah. Any other thoughts about this point? I personally would say that I don't know how I come across in camera. I use my hands quite a lot. And I think Phuc is probably quite right. That may well be distracting at times. I think it depends if you're talking about inexperienced performance or experienced performance. For inexperienced. The most important thing is they just feel comfortable. They shouldn't be thinking too much about their hands. If they want to use them, use them. Yeah. If they come into camera every now and again, it may be a little bit distracting. But they need to. It's more important for them to feel comfortable or as comfortable as they possibly can. So, you know, I always say to people, if you want to use your hands, if that helps you be more expressive, if that helps you get your passion across more, then feel free to do them. I would say that professional presenters probably don't actually use their hands a huge amount. Or as you have said, and as they are more considered and probably slower in their movements in the way they do use them. But if you're not that experienced, do what feels natural to you. Don't worry too much about it. Okay. Great. Ole, do you have any thoughts about this in the gestures? You're doing a lot growing, I guess. Well, I think you have to be in the camera view when you try to draw something others need to see. And then you also, of course, have to train your icons. So if you're doing it live, you don't want to end up, and now that's a different kind of gesture, right? You don't want to end up drawing an icon that doesn't look like what you want it to look like or accidentally ends up looking like something you really don't want to look like. So there can be some challenges like that. But I think the points made already are the main ones in terms of how you can do that. And then there's the other part of how you spend your camera frame. I would say, Anders, actually, if generally don't use, probably I'm going to kick myself in the back here, but don't use hands too much. It can be a little bit distracting. We were filming with somebody recently, and they did use their hands. They actually used their hands up there a lot. They were talking about that and that, and they weren't necessarily even pointing at anything. They were just sort of talking like that. So that did become quite distracting. I think if it's down there a little bit, maybe not quite so bad. Yeah. Maybe not quite so much as I do, maybe, is the answer. I actually, I saw a news report a couple of days ago in television, and she was out telling a story. But I think in every second word she said, she did like this with her hands. So this is how, so this is. And I remember the reporting. I just can't remember. I can't remember what she talked about. So maybe you just need to figure out the balance in that one. But thank you very much. Time is running, so we don't have time for anything more today. I would like to thank all of you, Puk, Richard, and Ole, for being here today and, of course, sharing all of this great knowledge on camera love. I think all of us has really learned something that we can work on. So from my point, I will do it already tomorrow when we have the next session here at the World of Camera. So give a round of reactions to our three speakers here. And thank you very much to all of you. Thank you, Anders. Thank you. Thank you. And thereby, we hope that you all enjoyed these world-class speakers we just had, not only for this session, but, of course, for all three sessions today, if you've been for some of the other sessions as well. We'll be back. And we'll do it again tomorrow where we have three new sessions. And you can see all of our programs and the agenda on the website, WebinarDays.com. I really think this has been an absolute pleasure being the host of today. And I got to sit down. I don't know how that fits the gesture talk we just had. But it was really cozy here in the last session. And it's beginning to be dark out here outside in Europe right now. So just in short about tomorrow, what's going to happen, if I can just get it here. Tomorrow, of course, we will be back with great speakers, some good hacks, tips, strategies that can all help you to level up your webinar game. And tomorrow is some of the sessions we will have is the future of the webinar program manager, creating attention and engagement in the digital events. And finally, we also have authentic storytelling in video and digital events. And we actually have a very special guest tomorrow evening who just won an Oscar. So a little cliffhanger there for you about what's going to happen tomorrow. I'm your host, Anders Mundellin. And on behalf of everybody here at 23, thank you very much for participating at Webinar Days here at our first day. 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